⚠ This Site is NOT Yet FULLY Launched
Launch Stage: INITIAL_DEMO_TO_FRIENDS___FUNCTIONAL_80_PCT
ForReal.dating is currently in INITIAL_DEMO mode for Friends, Testers, and Early Adopters.
- On Monday August 10, it goes into ALPHA testing mode.
- After about 3 weeks in ALPHA I expect it to go to BETA.
- After about 4 weeks in BETA, I expect it to go into full PRODUCT release.
Not FULLY functional for real dating yet.
A Note about "fake_" profiles.
If you want to create a fake profile for testing, go ahead. But indicate it is fake during signup, and the username will be prefixed with "fake_".
NOTE: these "fake_" profiles do NOT correspond to real people. But every other profile on this site is a real person, and their profile has been personally verified by Eric.
Early Access to a Dating Account for a Real Person
If you want to try out the platform then your experience will get better and better. You can get an account from anywhere in the world but for now I am only supporting English. About 80% of all MVP features work already, and the rest will be in place by the time we commence Alpha testing on August 10 2026.
Don't worry, you won't break the site. But, there is also no assurance what you are trying to do will work properly, until we achieve PRODUCT release.
ALSO, I may have to delete your account if it becomes necessary to wipe the databases to start clean. I will try to preserve your account, but no guarantees until we get to PRODUCT release.
Do you want to become a tester? — Come help me out. Click buttons on the site, see if they work, report if they don't. Ok there is a bit more to it than that, but it's fun. And you really get to see the thinking behind the design.
If you want to VOLUNTEER to assist me with early (ALPHA) testing, please click here.To do testing you simply open two browser windows, normally one in each of two browsers. (It is easiest on a laptop/desktop, but you can also do it on a phone.) One browser holds the ForReal.dating site. The other browser holds a 1 page BugTracker site where you can enter info on any bugs you find. On the same form you can enter any ideas you think of or notice that are about features. These forms are very easy to fill out, not much typing, no special syntax. EASY.
See Through Your Own
Rose Colored Glasses
An online dating website that's radically honest, and radically transparent. And most radical of all, FREE!, even for searching and messaging.
Radically Transparent
Every member is verified with photo ID and a live video selfie. Their behavior on the site — the dating intentions of the people they contact, how fast they reply, how often they get rejected — is collected and visible to everyone. No hiding.
Accountability by Design
Looking for one-night-stands? Fine — but it's plainly visible to anyone you contact. Sending openers to people you have nothing in common with? That shows up in your stats. Quickly, people who don't read profiles or have wildly unrealistic expectations get ignored and go away.
Behave Like in Real Life
Your online reputation on ForReal.dating is public, not private. People tend to interact respectfully — like they do in person — because their behavior has consequences. If someone can't handle that, what do they have to hide? Good riddance.
I'm Eric Dormer. I was on dating sites 25 years ago, near the dawn of the internet — and honestly, they were better then than they are now. It's the only internet related thing that got worse! How crazy is that?
Today's dating apps are explicitly designed to manipulate you into wasting time and money, and they destroy your self-esteem in the process. Not everyone is in the top 5%, that's life for 95% of us. If everyone is messaging only the most popular people, they get overwhelmed, and almost everyone else feels rejected. That's Lose-Lose and it's pointless and frustrating (and soul-destroying).
I created this FREE website as an attempt to make a better matchmaking system that works for users, instead of exploiting them. But I am just one guy, not a big corporation. My ideas to make a better matchmaking site might be right, or you may think they are completely wrong. (In general, that happens a lot, LOL.) I am happy to hear your views either way. This site is an active work in progress. If my radical approach is going too far, or not far enough, or the site is missing a key feature, just tell me. If it makes sense to me, or I hear it from enough users, then I will try to fix it.
The Dating Site Manifesto
Show More ▼"I'm mad as hell and I am not going to take it anymore!"
It's time to create a dating site that actually works for the members,
not just makes money for some CEO in Silicon Valley.
It's time for a dating site that measures success by the happiness
of its members, and by its ability to actually match people together,
not by engagement time, or monthly revenue numbers.
It's time for a dating site that expects and demands honesty from its members.
No moral judgment...
Just be honest.
Be real.
No misleading bots.
Don't be a scammer.
It's time for a dating site that gives members their own essential information so they can avoid wasting time. This vital data is created by the members and describes the members, so let the members see it.
In principle almost ALL statistics collected about you (and everyone else) are shared with EVERYONE. The environment is Radically Transparent.
You can see the last time any member was online and their usage patterns. No more stale profiles.
You can see when your sent message was read, or discarded. No more silent ghosting.
You can see how much attention any other member is getting, and compare that to your own stats. Then you can draw your own conclusions about who is in your league.
You can see how your personality profile, and dating intent (and much more) compares to people in aggregated categories, grouped by age range, gender, sexual orientation, and so on. This lets you know if you are normal or an oddball.
In summary, it's time for a dating site that appreciates the critical investment of time and focus by its members.
Respect the members, respect their effort, respect their time.
And another thing:
Dating sites are simple to code and cheap to run.
So why make them pricey? Forget that!
ForReal.dating is FREE!
Why Launching a Dating Site is So Hard
Show More ▼I am an electronics engineer, and software guy, and I decided enough is enough. There is absolutely NO reason we (as members) need to put up with this. But launching a successful new dating site is insanely tough not due to technical reasons, but because it's very hard to grow a membership base.
Until you have a critical population of women you won't attract the men, and until you have the men, you won't attract the women. It's a chicken and egg problem. Countless people have tried to launch new dating sites with all kinds of angles, and almost all have failed.
The few that do grow get bought up by the "dominant corporate player" in this field, and promptly get merged and evolved till the site is just another one of their family of corporate sites.
So this is my attempt at trying to crack that monopoly and break into this space for no other reason than I am procrastinating doing real work, so I spent a few days making the site. Plus I am annoyed that I am being toyed with by unseen gremlins who keep the useful statistics all to themselves, and create truly hurtful algorithms that treat real people terribly. I would be happy to eat their lunch, and maybe put all those sites out of business. (A wonderful revenge fantasy, LOL).
Based on all the multitude of failed dating sites that have gone before, this site probably won't attract members either. But I will do what I can to attract new members initially by low budget person-to-person techniques and some cross marketing on websites where potential members might see an ad or posting.
I am also looking for a small team of volunteers to assist online, and at some in-person events. I am hoping we can attend or host some in-person events promoting the site (trivia nights at a bar, a group bbq, dinner and dance at a venue with a live band). I want members to see this site as their community resource where they have influence.
But I promise if this site thrives and the membership base grows, I won't let it be gobbled up by any "dominant corporate player". It will always be radically transparent with useful searching and messaging ability that will always be free.
The ForReal.dating Conversation Model
Show More ▼Interactions between members are built around conversations. Conversations start with a conversation request (CR) by one member to another. Currently every member is permitted to have 8 CRs in circulation from them at any time. Think of a CR like an envelope that contains one message. The outside of the envelope clearly indicates who it is from (their username), who is the recipient, and the envelope also shows 2 numeric scores representing the quality and originality of the message inside. (To follow the analogy, these scores are like seeing your address in fancy hand written calligraphy, or written in barely legible crayon. It gives you a reasonable guess about how much effort the sender put into the message inside.)
At any time a recipient can look over all their unopened CR envelopes, and discard any they have no interest in without even opening them. However, to open a CR envelope, the recipient must have one conversation slot available, meaning they currently have less than 4 conversations active. Then they can open the CR envelope, read the message, and still reject the request immediately if they choose. Then they can do the same with the next envelope if they wish.
But if they are interested, they can accept the CR and commence an active conversation with the person who sent them the CR. That uses up one of their active conversation slots. Since their conversation slots are precious to them they won't waste time chatting with someone they are not interested in.
Since the recipient just opened the CR and now has allocated one of their conversation slots to that person, after reading the incoming message they would normally respond to that opening message with a message of their own, and this would start a back and forth exchange of messages.
At some point, both members in a conversation may decide to meet in-person for a meet-and-greet, so they let the system know that with a drop down menu. We want to know when a conversation leads to an actual in-person meet-and-greet because that is one of the PRIMARY purposes of this dating site. And if it can be measured, it can be optimized.
But either party may also decide the conversation has gone on long enough and they have decided not to meet the other person. In that case, they are called "The Terminator" and the other person is called the "Terminatee", or the "Minatee" to make it sound less harsh. The Terminator can simply end the conversation at any time using a drop down menu to let the system know why in a very general way. This is called "explicitly" ending the conversation.
Feedback when Conversations go South
Show More ▼Knowing why the Terminator made their decision is recorded by the system for analysis purposes so we can make the site better and improve scoring and matching algorithms.
It is possible that constructive feedback to the Minatee might also be welcomed by them, and members can choose to share their reasons for ending a conversation with the Minatee on a conversation by conversation basis. Note that absolutely no feedback is offered to the Minatee in any way that would identify the Terminator unless they have explicitly given their consent.
In all cases discretion is used by the system about what feedback info is provided to the Minatee, and how it is presented. The goal is to avoid feedback that is too harsh or emotionally challenging, and to avoid ego driven disputes among members. But it is a balancing act, because real authentic feedback is very useful to let members refine how they present themselves, or to reset their expectations about what is appropriate, or who might be a good match for them. It's a classic balancing act, be honest, but be kind.
How is this Dating Site Different?
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This site is different because it treats your time and focus as an expensive resource that deserves to be valued as PRECIOUS. The time you take to write an opener is not free. The creativity you apply is not free. The time you take to read invitations is not free. Even the time you spend waiting for a response that may never come wears on your optimistic heart. Too much ghosting can turn you into a bitter misanthrope.
Ensuring everyone recognizes and respects the time investment of other members is done by three complimentary systems.
First, the system imposes rules:
- Everyone is real, verified with government photo ID matched against a live video selfie from multiple angles. Uploaded photos are cross-checked so nobody claims to have found the elixir of youth.
- Zero tolerance for deceptive bots, scammers, or commercial peddlers of any kind.
- You can only have 4 active conversations at any one time, and 8 outstanding conversation requests (CRs) at any one time.
- Once you are in an active conversation then 48 hours of no response is ghosting, and ghosting has penalties.
Second, everyone's behavior is tracked and publicly visible:
- Conversation request messages are assigned a quality and originality score by the system. Those scores are visible to the recipient before they choose to accept or reject the request.
- The percentage of conversation requests you sent that were rejected unopened, rejected after reading, accepted.
- The percentage of conversation requests you received that you rejected unopened, rejected after reading, accepted.
- A histogram of the quality and originality scores of conversation requests you send to other members.
- The number of active conversations you are currently in.
- The number of received conversation requests pending.
- The number of sent conversation requests pending.
- The number of conversations you were in over the past 14 days that are now ended.
- Your response times are tracked.
- Endless conversations that go nowhere are tracked.
- Who ended conversations, and why, is tracked.
- These statistics are public — that is the radical part. You are NOT anonymous.
- But the algorithm is forgiving. Statistics use a rolling 14-day window or a decaying balance. If you have a bad patch don't worry, after a couple of weeks it will all be behind you.
You can be rude, or overly picky, or have an unrealistic idea of how attractive you are if you want to. That's your choice. But the community will quickly see how you behave, and they can choose to ignore you. All the rules, algorithms, and scoring systems are completely transparent. Our dating coach AI will even give you tips if you're struggling.
Third, you are not alone — in both a good and bad way. You are not nearly as special as you think. The site publishes full group statistics (anonymous) for each gender and 5-year age bracket about how people actually behave and what they claim to value. It is interesting that in the real world these often don't align very well. You might be surprised what is actually "normal." So don't be too hard on yourself. Some of us are human, for better or worse.